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No resolutions here! Well hello 2025 - time for fresh starts, clean slates, and endless possibilities… or so they say.  But by the time you hit your mid-40s, I find that the enthusiasm for New Year’s resolutions tends to have waned.  I’m not alone. According to studies, about 80% of New Year’s resolutions fail by February, with ‘Quitters Day’ usually around 14th January. Many personal development writers highlight how resolutions can create an unrealistic expectation of an idealised version of yourself, which can leave you feeling disappointed when you inevitably fall short. Experts like Dr Rangan Chatterjee, author of The 4 Pillars of Health , suggest that instead of setting dramatic resolutions for weight loss or fitness, a better approach is to focus on small, sustainable lifestyle changes that improve overall well-being without causing unnecessary stress or disappointment. Let’s talk about some of the most common midlife women’s resolutions—and why they’re probably best left for the younger, more naïve versions of ourselves. 1. Get Fit (Again) Every year, it’s the same: "This is the year I’ll finally get into shape!" But by midlife, "getting into shape" has morphed into a vague and overly optimistic idea that involves yoga pants, maybe some walking and a very comfortable couch. It’s not that you don’t want to be fit—it’s just that you’ve come to terms with the fact that your body has developed character  over the years. It’s like trying to convince your teenager to clean their room: You’ve given up on the dream, and now you’re just surviving. 2. Learn a New Skill (Like Coding or a New Language) The idea of picking up a completely new skill as an adult seems charming—until you try it. Sure, you could  learn Mandarin or take up coding, but let’s be honest: your brain has already reached its capacity for new information. These days, you’re barely remembering where you put your glasses, let alone the intricacies of HTML. Plus, every time you sit down to "learn something new," you find yourself scrolling through cat memes. The cat memes will win every time. 3. Declutter the Entire House Ah, the "Marie Kondo Moment." You’ve read the books, watched the shows and maybe even listened to my podcast with Dilly Carter. But here’s the reality: The stuff has been accumulating for decades, and it’s not just "stuff." It’s a history of your life—your kids’ macaroni art, those shoes you bought for one wedding that you swore you’d wear again, and that blender you forgot you owned. It’s less about decluttering and more about strategically avoiding the mess  until it gets too overwhelming to deal with.  Give yourself until Spring when you get the urge to have a big clear out.  Keep January for hot chocolate and movies. 4. Have More "Me Time" Ah yes, self-care. Everyone talks about it - I do it all the time. But let’s be real: How do you carve out "me time" when you’re already juggling kids, work, your partner, ageing parents and the upcoming tax season? Don’t beat yourself up - but do grab a sneaky nap or bubble bath when you get the chance.  Of course you can always multi task listening to a Two Women Chatting podcast, whilst walking the dog, planning dinner and mentally ticking off your to-do list. But seriously, mental health professionals often point out that the intense pressure to make drastic changes can be harmful, especially for people already struggling with anxiety, depression, or self-esteem issues. For example, New Year’s resolutions that focus on weight loss or productivity can exacerbate feelings of inadequacy. Instead of feeling empowered by goals, people may feel defeated or trapped by them. Instead of obsessing over drastic transformations or external goals, it might be worth focusing on self-acceptance, compassion, and realistic, incremental progress. And if all else fails? At least there’s always next year. In the end, maybe the best resolution is to not  make any resolutions at all. Why set yourself up for failure when you can just coast into the new year with the knowledge that you're doing your best, and that's good enough? The real resolution? To keep living life on your own terms and make realistic, incremental progress to what you want to do and where you want to be.  Just remember it doesn’t all have to start in January!

Dame Prue Leith is a culinary visionary whose influence extends far beyond the kitchen. From her pioneering campaigns for healthy eating in schools to her entertaining presence on the iconic Great British Bake Off, Prue has been a driving force in shaping our culinary landscape and inspiring generations to embrace the joys of good food. But Prue's impact goes beyond the world of gastronomy. A passionate advocate for assisted dying, she fearlessly champions the right to dignity and autonomy in end-of-life decisions, sparking crucial conversations about compassion and individual choice. I was fortunate enough to have Dame Prue as my guest on a recent podcast where we discussed this subject. Her campaign for Dignity in Dying aligns with a growing movement that calls for the legalisation of assisted dying, a choice many believe should be available to terminally ill patients.  With the second reading of The Assisted Dying Bill is a proposed piece of legislation in the United Kingdom that seeks to legalise assisted dying under specific circumstances. The bill aims to allow terminally ill patients who meet certain criteria to request and receive assistance in ending their lives, often through prescribed medication, in a compassionate and regulated manner. Kim Leadbeater MP introduced the  Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) B ill  which passed it’s second reading on 29 November by a wider than expected margin, 330–275 MPs have voted in favour of proposals to legalise assisted dying in England and Wales. The bill will now face many more months of debate and scrutiny by MPs and peers, who could choose to amend it, with the approval of both Houses of Parliament needed for it to become law. Prue has personal motivations behind her advocacy, having witnessed the struggle faced by loved ones at the end of their lives including her first husband and brother. As the debate around assisted dying intensifies, it invites careful consideration of both the ethical implications and the arguments for and against the practice. Arguments FOR Assisted Dying Autonomy and Choice : One of the core arguments for assisted dying is the principle of individual autonomy. Supporters contend that individuals in terminal cases should have the right to choose how and when they die. For many, living with the pain and suffering associated with terminal illnesses can lead to a diminished quality of life. They argue that allowing assisted dying empowers patients to exercise control over their final moments, rather than prolonging suffering. Compassion and Relief from Suffering : Advocates highlight that assisted dying is a compassionate option that can relieve unbearable suffering. The prospect of a drawn-out, painful death can be distressing not only for patients but also for their families. By offering the choice of assisted dying, society can provide a humane solution for those who wish to end their suffering on their terms. Regulation and Safeguards : Many proponents argue that legalising assisted dying doesn't mean a free-for-all. With proper regulations and safeguards in place, the process could be regulated much like other medical practices. Oversight would ensure that only those who genuinely meet the criteria for terminal illness and are mentally competent could access such options, reducing the risk of abuse. Arguments AGAINST Assisted Dying Moral and Ethical Concerns : Opponents of assisted dying often cite moral or religious beliefs that view life as sacred. They argue that allowing assistance in dying could undermine the value of life and may lead to a slippery slope where vulnerable individuals might feel pressured to opt for assisted dying rather than exhausting all possible treatments. Risk of Coercion : Critics express concerns about the potential for coercion. Vulnerable people, particularly the elderly or those with disabilities, may feel pressured to choose assisted dying due to societal views on quality of life or financial burdens on families. The fear is that patients may choose assisted dying not entirely out of their own will but due to perceived obligations. Inadequate Palliative Care : Many opponents argue that the focus on assisted dying detracts from vital improvements in palliative care. They believe that instead of seeking measures to hasten death, society should invest in ensuring that every individual has access to comprehensive, high-quality end-of-life care that alleviates pain and respects dignity. Along with a number of celebrities using their platforms such as Esther Rantzen, Sir Patrick Stewart and Jo Brand, Prue’s campaign for Dignity in Dying has shone a spotlight on the complex and emotional question of assisted dying in the UK. As debates continue, the conflicting viewpoints reveal a tapestry of personal beliefs, ethical considerations, and societal values. These discussions are essential as they shape the future of end-of-life care, reflecting society's commitment to autonomy, compassion, and the sanctity of life. As the dialogue progresses, it is crucial to listen to the voices of those affected, ensuring that any legal framework respects both individual choice and collective ethical standards. Safeguarding requirements of the Terminally Ill (End of Life) Bill: They must be resident of England and Wales and be registered with a GP for at least 12 months They must have the mental capacity to make the choice and be deemed to have expressed a clear, settled and informed wish, free from coercion or pressure They must be expected to die within six months They must make two separate declarations, witnessed and signed (by them or a proxy on their behalf), about their wish to die Two independent doctors must be satisfied the person is eligible - and there must be at least seven days between the doctors’ assessments A High Court judge must hear from at least one of the doctors and can also question the dying person, or anyone else they consider appropriate. There must be a further 14 days after the judge has made the ruling (although this can be shortened to 48 hours in some circumstances) Find out more here: Dignity in Dying organisation Terminally Ill (End of Life) Bill - Parlimentary website Listen here: Apple podcasts Spotify podcasts

As midlife women navigate the challenges of ageing, one common concern that often arises is the risk of cognitive decline and dementia. So many women I know are dealing with parents who have dementia and there is sadness, exhaustion and frustration dealing with this condition.   Research shows that women are more likely to be affected by dementia than men.  But the good news is we can reduce our chances of dementia by a huge 45% by taking proactive steps in our 40s and 50s to protect our future cognitive health.  But when is it just hormone-related brain fog - and when is that forgetfulness something we should be concerned about?  I talked to Susan Saunders , brain health coach, about all of this and more for Two Women Chatting.  She told me, “The number one thing I always say is put your brain first, because really what is more important? There's all the amazing things that we want to be able to power up and do in the decades to come and they are reliant on us enjoying good brain health.” Here are some strategies that midlife women can incorporate into their lifestyle to promote cognitive health and potentially prevent dementia: 1. Engage in Regular Physical Activity:  Physical exercise has been consistently linked to improved brain health and reduced risk of cognitive decline. Midlife women can benefit from incorporating regular exercise routines that include aerobic activities, strength training, and flexibility exercises. Aim for at least 150 minutes of moderate-intensity exercise per week to support overall brain health. 2. Maintain a Healthy Diet:  A balanced and nutritious diet is crucial for brain health. Our microbiome and gut have a huge influence on our bodies and it needs to be fed good stuff! Focus on consuming a variety of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean proteins and healthy fats. Incorporate foods rich in antioxidants, such as berries, nuts and leafy greens to protect brain cells from damage. Limit processed foods, sugar, and saturated fats, which can have a negative impact on cognitive function. 3. Stay mentally active:  Engaging in mentally stimulating activities can help boost brain function and reduce the risk of dementia. Midlife women can challenge their brains by learning new skills, playing brain games, reading, solving puzzles or engaging in creative pursuits. Continuous learning and cognitive stimulation are key components of maintaining cognitive health.  Turns out Candy Crush Saga is good for you! 4. Prioritise quality sleep:  It seems obvious but sleep is the gateway to so much positive health. Aim for 7-9 hours.  There are many healthy ways of improving sleep from taking HRT, CBD, natural supplements, avoiding devices around bed time, blackout blinds, regular routines, meditation and breath techniques before reaching for strong drugs to help. 5. Manage stress and prioritise your mental health:  We’re talking self-care here, as chronic stress can have a detrimental impact on cognitive health and increase the risk of dementia. Consider mindfulness, meditation, yoga, or deep breathing exercises.  Don’t forget the importance of social connections.  Meeting friends for coffee is good for your brain health too! Research on ‘blue zones’ has highlighted so many of the points above to be a factor in longevity generally. A blue zone is a region in the world where people are claimed to have exceptionally long lives beyond the age of 80 due to a lifestyle combining physical activity, low stress, rich social interactions, a local whole-foods diet, and low disease incidence. By adopting some healthy habits now we can really help future proof our health against, not just dementia, but so many other conditions that may decrease the quality of our life as we head into our next decades. You can listen to my conversation with Susan Saunders on brain fog and dementia by clicking here or via any podcast platform and smart speaker - see links below. Susan's new book is The Power Decade - How to thrive after menopause. Available here Play episode here: Spotify link Apple link

As we journey through life, we often transition from being cared for by our parents to becoming their caregivers as they age. This role reversal can be both rewarding and challenging, but with patience, love, and understanding, we can provide our ageing parents with the support they need to thrive in their later years. As Richard Gere said ‘ Growing old is a privilege’  and of course, he is absolutely right - but unfortunately, it does come with some downsides.   That once super active confident independent person now has to ask for help whether it’s opening a jar of honey, clipping their toenails, or tending the garden, which they once found so easy to manage.  My recent conversation with Clare Jefferies, owner of multiple Home Instead residences, really resonated with me and so many of my friends, stuck in the sandwich generation with adult kids and ‘carenting’ for our elderly parents. The most pertinent piece of advice that hit home is to plan ahead . Take your time researching and don't leave it until there was no other solution because unfortunately, that is when often the wrong choice is made.  The internet is awash with websites offering up advice and communities with images of beautiful grounds and smiling faces!  But in reality, what is it they offer, and will it be suitable for your loved ones?  Firstly, it is imperative to understand the level of care each option provides and the terminology can often be very confusing. In a nutshell, independent living  communities focus mainly on serving the social needs of residents, as most are able to live independently without much support whilst assisted living  communities support those who need assistance with activities of daily living but still allow residents to live as independently as possible.  TOP TIPS AND ISSUES TO CONSIDER: It may seem obvious but include your parent in the discussion and do not treat them like a child. Family members often get together and decide what they think is best but in fact, it’s best for them, not the parent. In many cases an elderly parent, not surprisingly, is adamant they will not move out of their home. This is when it can be better for an outsider and/or professional to be involved as they can test the water and assess the situation.   Sit down with family and list the pros and cons.  Care homes are expensive, there’s no getting around this but that’s because they are ‘care’ homes and have the staff and facilities to do so.  However, not all care homes are equal! How will the care home be financed?  This often can cause rifts in families, so be considerate of your parent’s needs and thoughts. Do not argue in front of them – imagine how they will feel Be realistic. Sometimes one sibling believes the parent can manage, this is often the case if they don’t see them on a regular basis. You need to communicate and be on the same page.  It can be very easy for resentment and guilt to build between family members. Do your research.  It’s all very well that the home is set in acres of beautiful grounds but where are the local shops to walk to?  Is it near a train or bus station?  How long is the journey for family members and friends to visit?  Try not to choose one in a different area away from where your parent’s lived.  Friends will find it extremely hard to visit. Visit the home more than once - this is why it is crucial to plan ahead.  On the initial visit, the staff can be wonderful - pop back for an unannounced visit so that you see the true colours of the staff and venue.  What are the other residents like? Finally - don’t forget the emotional, physical and mental strain this has on YOU.  Allow yourself to take a break sometimes and make sure you get support. You can listen to my full conversation with Clare Jefferies by clicking here - or on any podcast platform or smart speaker.  Always free to listen or download.  The Citizens Advice Bureau and Age UK are wonderful resources for help on this topic. Spotify link Apple link

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Get back in the photos - be visible in midlife again! I’ve hated seeing photos of me for as long as I can remember.  I’ve been ridiculously over critical of myself and finding a photo that I would be willing to frame could be as rare as hen’s teeth!  But becoming a podcast host forced me to do more on social media and, at some point, I decided to stop giving myself a hard time and to change my attitude. For years I would make sure I was at the back of a group picture, try not to stand next to someone really slim - or, even better, offer to take the photo myself!  Menopausal weight gain didn’t help my confidence either. I was still stuck in the Kodak generation of 24 exposures per film roll, nervous chatter about ‘how I hate having my picture taken’, inevitably resulting in odd faces, open mouths and terrible angles - all self-inflicted!  Well those days are well over and millennials have mastered the art of the selfie.  We have plenty of opportunities to take a shot that compliments us. And it’s not vanity by the way… it’s memories. It finally occurred to me that, in years to come, I would really regret not being in those albums and part of those milestone moments with kids, grandkids, at weddings, graduations and reunions. Far too often mums are the ones behind the camera.  Don’t forget your family want to see YOU in the picture too! So check out this Midlife Minute with excellent advice from Eddie Judd on taking a flattering selfie.  Slap on a smile, find some decent lighting and look forward to many hours in your future enjoying the nostalgia with your family. Here’s a few hints that may help. Many (many!) years ago I worked for the Walt Disney Co. on the opening of Disneyland Paris.  One thing that stuck with me from those times in PR was the ‘Disney smile’ - a natural smile was encouraged… one row of teeth - not two (too much of a grin). Lighting is your friend - but not harsh overhead lights - window light or outdoors is the best. Find the most flattering angle for your face.  Practice in the bathroom mirror! Anthea Turner shared with me that you need to look slightly left or right and gently tilt your chin so that your jawbone is exposed.  Taking a photo straight on can lose that definition of chin into neck.  Definitely not a look to go for. When taking a selfie hold the camera slightly above your eye level - if you take it from bottom up you can start counting those extra chins that probably don’t exist in another angle! Check background for clutter (or embarrassing items!) Use portrait mode - it’s really flattering Try to avoid using filters but experiment with exposure and brightness. If you’re the face of your business or brand, consider some professional shots.  It can make a huge difference in the way your potential customer perceives you. A little bit of lippy goes a long way Use the rule of thirds: Position yourself off-center in the frame for a more visually interesting photo. Keep it steady: Hold your phone or camera steady to avoid blurry photos. Consider a tripod. Use a self-timer if you need to get a bunch of shots of yourself from further away. A genuine smile and a relaxed attitude can make your selfie more engaging and attractive.  Even that dumb fake laugh can make a huge difference and look natural in the photo. Remember, taking a great selfie is all about feeling confident and enjoying the process. Recruit a teenager to help you.  They are absolute experts.  Experiment with different techniques and have fun! If you are interested in getting professional branding shots done by Eddie Judd, you can contact her at https://eddiejuddphotography.shootproof.com

This is the transcript from my conversation with The Divorce Coach, Sara Davison. I felt her advice was so valuable I wanted to share it here. With 'silver divorce' rates rising, there may be a time you or a friend might need signposting. Please recommend this episode with Sara or read it here, share it and use the resources listed at the bottom. If you find it helpful please review on any podcast platform as it will help others find it too. Michelle: So, Sara, I'm so excited to actually have you in the studio. I mean, normally that's Liz's seat and it's been cold for a while now. So it's really nice to have somebody in my little studio shed. my God, I love it here. It's so pretty. It's just absolutely beautiful. So I'm very excited to be here with you today. Fabulous. Thank you. Right. Well, you know why I've invited you here today. It's really to talk about...divorce in midlife. So when our kids leave the nest and we hit menopause and we're in midlife it's a bit of a perfect storm isn't it and we may look at our husbands and think 'ow, he's really boring’! Or we may look at him and think, I really don't like the way he treats me. This is not right. Or we might think, what on earth have we got in common? So I personally wouldn't have a clue what to do if my husband, please don't do this James, if my husband came home one day and said, you know what, this isn't working out. I want a divorce. Sorry, what do I do? What are the first things I need to consider? Sara: Well, you know, it's a really common worry for a lot of people. I think, you know, you're spot on there. A lot of people do worry about it because there isn't, well, there hasn't been much information about what do you do. And it is one of the most traumatic life experiences we go through. Like, it's just a fact. It is actually the second most traumatic experience we go through after death of a loved one. And that empty nester situation you talk about when the kids leave is a very common time for couples to sort of stare across the breakfast table at each other and sort of think, okay, well now we're not talking about the kids and you're not rushing off to take them to school and I'm not rushing off to take them to a sports club. What are we talking about? Do I want to be doing this going forward? Michelle: And you've potentially got decades to go, haven't you? It's not like the old days when... you know, we kind of died around the age of 75, we're all living longer. So we might be with, you know, Joe Bloggs until we're 95. Sara: Exactly, exactly. So it is a big shift. And I think that is why that bracket, that age group does see an increase in divorce, because it is a vulnerable time for a relationship, because the whole setup of how it works has changed. And that's not to say it always happens, but there is obviously that vulnerability there. So yes, what do you do? Well, first of all, I think don't panic. It happens. And there are now lots of different things you can do to support yourself and also to figure out a way forward. So first of all, I would reach out to friends and family who can look after you and create that breakup support team, having a group of people around you that can hold you up, who genuinely care about you, who will be there during this really challenging emotional roller coaster for you will actually be essential. So picking those people carefully though is really important. Michelle: Well supposing they're really disappointed that you're getting divorced. Supposing, you know, your own mother loves their son -in -law and is really gutted that this marriage is going to be breaking up and your kids are picking one side or the other and that might not be a fair pick. It might not be justifiable. You might be seen as the bad guy. Sara: Yeah, absolutely. A lot of times...you don't want to necessarily tell your kids everything that's happened or maybe if someone's had an affair because it's a difficult line, isn't it? It's an adult relationship depending on the age of your children. If they've left home, then obviously they're adults. But I think a lot of times people don't want to bring their kids in. But then the downside of that is them not realizing that actually one or other has had an affair or something has happened, which maybe does in some people's eyes make them the bad person. But then again, there's lots of reasons why relationships break down. And quite often an affair is the end of many years of bad communication or no communication or resentments just stacking up over time. So quite often also our family are just as angry with that person as we are and that can also fuel that fire. So we've got to be careful that we're not spending time around people that are actually making it a little bit worse rather than better. That's true, it's like taking to the cleaners, you know, all that sort of toxicity, which is not good for anybody, is it? You know. Ultimately, you do want to move on with your lives in an amicable fashion if that's possible. If not just for yourselves, but for your children. Yeah, and I think that's key. You've got to put the kids first where you can, obviously put them first so that you manage how they are dealing with it. Because even as an adult child, the impact of a divorce, your parents divorcing can be pretty harsh. People talk about younger kids and how that can impact them. And again, divorce, there's two ways of looking at it. And I'm quite vocal that divorce doesn't have to damage children. I don't believe that's a set thing. I think actually it very much depends on the parents and how you help that child process that information. Because in some ways it can be a very valuable life lesson that actually we don't always get that fairy tale ending. And that sometimes when we don't, it's okay to be upset and to go through those negative emotions. That's part of life. Life always throws us those curve balls or challenges. But it's then giving them the tools to pick themselves back up. And as a parent, you can be the role model, we will be, like it or not. How you react to those difficult situations in life will be what your kid learns as coping mechanisms. So if you can use this as a chance to stay strong for your kids, which often as parents, we'll do more for them than we will for ourselves. You know, without the kids, maybe we'd stay in bed and cry and eat crisps. Maybe that's just me. But, you know, with kids there, and my son was one when my husband left me. So, you know, I had to get up, otherwise he couldn't move. He couldn't eat. You know, I had to change him. So there were all those things. So again, quite often, if we've got the mission that actually we're going to turn this into a positive lesson for our kids to say, look, sometimes things don't work out. Yes, it's tough. And we're not going to hide that because stuffing down negative emotions again, teaches them not to talk about things or to deny those emotions, which again can be damaging and lead to consequences later on in life. So we process those emotions and give them some healthy coping mechanisms like, you know, five star jumps or exercise or talking about things or creating a plan to move them forwards and learning that they can control how they feel. A lot of people don't know that, that they can choose how they react. And yes, something bad may have happened and yes, it's normal to feel sad or devastated or angry, but we can dial down all those negative emotions ourselves. So giving them those toolkits to be able to change how they feel, take their power back, be in control. Imagine learning that as a kid or even a young adult. That's life -changing. In all kinds of situations. Michelle: Yeah. And of course, you know, kids get older and graduate, get married, have children and chances are that ex -partner is still going to be around at those milestone moments. So again, for the sake of all the family and the future family, somehow you've got to rise above it and handle it with some sort of dignity. Sara: Absolutely, absolutely. And I think it's very difficult to be around someone that has hurt you, let you down, betrayed you. Even if it's amicable, there can be resentments that maybe you didn't get that sort of fairy tale ending that you'd planned together. And I think, you know, the later on in life you are, you know, it can be more challenging to sort of change direction or to reinvent yourself, but it's definitely possible. Like you said, you know, people are, you know, living longer, we've got more energy and like, you know, fifties, you know, it's not old anymore, sixties not old anymore. So again, there's so many chances to actually the marriage rate for the, what we call silver splitters, which is the over fifties, that bracket, the marriage rate is actually going up for second marriage, second or third marriages. Yes, which is interesting because, you know, the younger generations are not looking to marriage anymore. There's a lot more options like polyamory and all these other things which probably weren't there so blatantly when we were younger. Michelle: But now the marriage rate, people are not giving up. They're not going blue rinse and slippers like they did maybe back in my grandparents age. We know there's that community in the middle of Florida where they've got the highest rate of STDs and it's a retirement village. I know that some pharmacy companies are actually testing out their STD drugs there because they've got such a big demographic to try it out on. So yeah, life is not over by any stretch of the imagination. You will get through it. But in those first, if we can bring it back to like, what do we do? So. I literally, I wouldn't know how to choose a divorce lawyer. I wouldn't know how much it cost. I wouldn't know how to find the money because I know I'm just basically, as I was telling you earlier, I'm kind of lazy. But I'm also disinterested and I'm lucky I completely, don't we all trust until we don't trust? Who helps you with that? Who holds your hand and tells you what to do to get it right? Sara: So there's lots of different ways to get divorced and it really very much depends on what kind of divorce you're having. So a lot of people say, well, do I need a lawyer? No, you don't actually need a lawyer to get divorced. No, there's so many ways of doing it now. You can do it online even. There's ways where you can go to people who aren't actually lawyers, but they can help you navigate the paperwork you need to do. We've now got no fault divorce, which is brilliant because now we don't have to allocate blame to the other side before, even if it was amicable. Did you know we had to actually write a list of things that we didn't like about the partner? Michelle: Which really helps the outcome, doesn't it? It doesn't help anything. He snores, he's a pig, he doesn't pick up. Sara: Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. So that was never a good start. So now we don't have that anymore. So it's a lot more straightforward to get divorced. So you don't need to, but that doesn't mean to say that getting legal advice isn't a good idea at the get -go, especially if you don't know much about the process of getting divorced - having at least one session with somebody to actually explain what the process looks like from the legal perspective, like what hoops you need to go through, what paperwork you need to do. That can also be a good way of doing it, but it's very, very expensive to go with lawyers and you don't necessarily need to do that. So there are other companies like Amicable who you can do it online and you can reach out. So there's a lot of resources now that never existed before. And the difference is, you know, someone like Amicable would be a couple of thousand pounds to get divorced. If you get into a difficult divorce where you're not agreeing, you won't be able to go through those amicable ways. So if there's a lot of conflict, if there's toxic relationship, then lawyers probably will be the way you need to go. It may be possible to use mediation, which means that you sort of work out around a table. Again, it doesn't work particularly well for abusive relationships, but then neither does the court system always. Right, you should get onto that as well. Yeah, toxic relationships, my specialist area. Goodie. Goodie. Lucky me. Yes, but I definitely think getting some legal advice up front is usually a good idea just to understand where you're going. Now you asked a really good question about how do I choose a lawyer? This is really important and much more important than most people think because the lawyer you choose will set the tone for your divorce. So there are lawyers out there that have reputations that will be the pit bull in the ring. And if your partner, your ex finds out that you've instructed a pit bull lawyer, then you're in for a hell of a ride. Cause they will go for somebody - And it's gonna be conflict from the get go. Yeah. And what does conflict mean in a divorce? Conflict means emotional stress and turmoil and potentially trauma and high expenses, like financially very, very expensive. Yeah. I, I, my personal divorce, I know many, many clients I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of thousands to get divorced. We don't need to be doing that when you've got other ways that can be 1500 quid to 3000, you know, so there are ways. So think about it carefully. You may be very angry, very hurt, but that doesn't, you know, you're not going to necessarily get justice through the system. They don't care if your partner had an affair, by the way, that's irrelevant. They will just look at the finances and work out what the legal, what you're legally entitled to. So understanding what you're legally entitled to is where that legal advice comes in very handy as well. So not only do you know the process and what sort of boxes you need to tick, but also what you're legally entitled to is also a good way. So if you can have one or two sessions with a lawyer, I would find somebody that suits the style that you are comfortable with. Do not go for the person your best friend got divorced with because she got on well with her. Right, okay. That's not necessary. Sometimes that might be a good fit for you. But for example, if they had a very amicable divorce and say it was just the average sort of salary base and there weren't many assets and that worked for her, great. If you're the same as that, then there's a likelihood that will work for you. But if you have huge amounts of assets and very high conflict, I would pretty much say that there are better suited lawyers who specialise in that area. So there's lawyers that specialise in children or finance or international issues. So if you have properties over the world, certain lawyers will have specialist areas in that. So again, look for the lawyer that suits what you need because once you've instructed someone, not necessarily for the first one or two sort of initial advice sessions, but once you instruct someone and they're your lawyer for the whole process, you're kind of stuck with them in the fact that if you've got somebody else to start, if you weren't happy and you swapped, that lawyer would charge - catch up, yeah, more money, more money. Michelle: Yeah, huge. But I mean, is it like a directory? I would - If I choose people I often go by their face. I'm not gonna lie, I do. Kind face, you know, nice surgeon, looks like they'd be fun to be around, I'd probably go for them. How do I like go through a directory and choose a lawyer? I mean I suppose you could have a preference for going for a female or a male, that's kind of easy. Location, tick box, and maybe subject area, but it's gonna be quite the relationship, isn't it? You want to really, really trust and know that they're the right person for you and you don't want to do that several times over and rack up the cost. Sara: Yeah, I mean, that's where getting advice from somebody that knows the selection and has already got a network will really save you time and money. I mean, obviously, if you go to a breakup or divorce coach who works in that field, they're going to have ideas of what will help you. For me, when I refer clients, I always refer to or through three different lawyers, because again, it's very much down to personality. I never recommend anyone because again, it's...you never know how that case is going to go. But we can suggest people that we know work and specialise in certain fields. So it might be that there's two or three different people you can have that initial phone call with. And a lot of lawyers will do that initial chat for free. Those that don't, I'll be a little bit careful of. It might just be because they're really good and busy, but sometimes, you know, you just need to be careful because you can find lawyers who will chat to you for half an hour just to get that fee. So if you're a good fit, I'd recommend doing that. And then when you found that person that you know has the ability to do the kind of cases that yours will be, then again if it's a good fit with you and you like them then that's another good case. Michelle: So someone like you, a divorce coach who I'd never come across until we connected through social media and you came to the International Women's event and so on we got chatting more, I'd never really heard of a divorce coach but that is probably money worth spending to be directed into the right way and to at least find your way initially. Sara: Yeah, I mean, a lot of people don't realise the emotional impact of a divorce and they will go straight for a lawyer, straight for a financial advisor. I'm not, you know, those two are good additions to have on your support team, as well as family and friends, as well as a coach. But yes, a coach can save you a lot of money because the other thing with lawyers is they will take your phone calls between nine and five usually about what the latest thing your ex has done to upset you. So you can be crying on the phone. You can be upset. And they will be there because they're, you know, a lot of them are really nice people and they'll be there to reassure, but that's not actually empowering you with any tools to deal with those emotions. And what it is doing is it's ticking up their annual, their hourly rate as you go. So it's a very expensive way to get emotional support. Michelle: Yeah. They're not therapists, are they? Sara: Well, that's the bottom line. They are lawyers, not therapists. So if you want to be guided through the emotional journey, that's more of a coach. It definitely is a coach. And... and a specialist coach in this field as well. Generic coaching, you know, as breakup and divorce coaches, and I have a training school, we're trained over, gosh, I think 600 coaches now in 27 different countries. So. Michelle: It’s incredible what you've done, it really is. Sara; thank you. I mean, it came from, this is everything I wish I'd had when I was going through my divorce, because I was that person you described. My husband's cheated on me. I didn't see it coming. I kind of left a lot of the personal finance to him because we had a global business together at the time. So I was busy running that. My son was only one. So I was pretty much a full -time mum and a full -time, you know, career running a company as well. So it's combining everything and it hit me like a freight train. I didn't see it coming. I didn't expect it. Saying that though, there's definitely warning signs that I totally ignored. Yeah. But, but you know, having been through that, I thought, right, well, there must be someone to talk to. So where do I go? And just like you asked me, Michelle, there was nothing apart from therapy and counseling, which, I'd already been coaching for about 15 years anyway so I just thought well I tried it didn't really help me I needed something a lot more specific so yeah that's where we come in. Michelle: Honestly all these things cost money don't they? I think a lot of couples especially during this cost of living crisis are just staying together because they can't afford it. I mean now I did not realise that divorce could be done online or through it was amicable. I didn't realise it could be done cheaper. But even so, £2 ,000 right now when fuel is high and everything is costing such a lot, people probably staying in pretty nasty toxic relationships and maybe living in two separate bedrooms in the house because splitting that house, splitting all the proceeds is going to be far too expensive to go and then get two separate places to live. And talking of which, does your partner have to be honest about all the finance. It must be really easy to hide money. Who finds out, who's the forensic person who goes in there and like, I don't think you're, I think you're telling ‘porkies’ here. I think there's more than one bank account and there's probably more money in shares and things like that that you don't know about. How do you find it? Sara: It’s very, very difficult, which is why...before, if it's you deciding to leave or you're being suspicious that your partner might be about to leave you, there is some groundwork to do getting your ducks in a row because there's certain things that you would, I would suggest as a coach that maybe your lawyer wouldn't be able to suggest that you would be doing to get as much information about your financial situation before you say, you're having an affair, I'm going, or you need to get out because that's when it's too late. You know, be smart. Be very smart. So read the clues and be a detective. in your own relationship, not just about is he, you know, seeing Mildred from the office or whoever it is, but you've got to start, do you want me to pay that bill or, you know, or just looking at what's coming through, you know, what's coming, what statements, you know, in the wallet, are there lots of different cards or just one card, you know, those sorts of things, just getting an idea because. Even if you say, well, I thought we had an NattWest account or I'm sure we had a Barclayy card or American Express. If those aren't showing up on the disclosure, then of course you can go back and say, your client knows that you have this. And if you've got the number of the cards that you might just have had, then again, you can say, well, we've got this card with this number, can you tell us about this account? So again, you can do that. But if it's already happened, there are people that have that forensic accountant title that can dive in and pull the threads because they will have to share bank statements. The challenge is that quite often money's moved so fast and the cost of a forensic accountant is staggering. I mean, it's not cheap. So again, to have somebody going through everything, looking at everything by which time if they're clever, then they can, and if it's intentional, they're doing it, it's quite easy to bounce it offshore and move it a few times. And then it's very hard to find anyway. So again, there are people that will do that. Your law firm will be able to recommend, you know, those people are out there as well as coaches. I'm connected with lots and so are all my coaches, but it's something that is a very expensive thing to do. So I would always say, keep your eyes open if you're, and it's always, you know, even if you're happily married, it's good to have an idea of, well, you know, these are all the bank accounts that I know of because then if they disclose those, there'll be threads if there's transfers into other accounts. So that's where the forensic accountant can really dive in. Michelle: I talked about this with Alice Beer actually quite a few months ago about, and this was more to do with supposing you're, you found yourself suddenly single or divorced or bereaved. Yeah. Do you know where stuff is? So actually doing an audit trail and sitting down with your partner and say, you know what, I'm probably not pulling my weight here and if anything happened to you I wouldn't know where the passwords are, I wouldn't know where the accounts are, can we make an appointment together, can we schedule a meeting where we just do this and we make sure the kids are all occupied and we sit down, I just want to make sure that I can help you and that the kids are secure, I'm secure if you got knocked down by a bus tomorrow or you might want to know about my accounts, you know all the stuff I've been squirreling away on the side. Sara: So that's not a bad idea to do that prep and even more so if you suspect that there's disinterest or bad behavior or a potentially looming separation and then divorce. I would say yes in most cases but definitely not if it's a toxic relationship. So if your partner is abusive in any way then disclosing your plans, you're showing your cards so you're basically saying I want to know what you're doing. And for them, they will take that and use that information against you. So they'll probably start closing things down or moving things faster. So remember that they need to be in control at all times. So yes, in a healthy relationship, you can sit down and have that appointment and have that conversation. Absolutely. That would be the best way to go. But if you think your partner that might trigger anger, or they might get very judgmental of you, or they might get cross or that it might be a negative reaction, then this is something that I would take upon yourself. Michelle: That is such a good point, Sara. I didn't even think about that, but I mean, I know that you have had more experience in sort of being with narcissistic... I can never say it, you say it for me. Narcissistic. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Being with that partner or in the domestic sort of abuse, coercion, control sort of arena. And what do people do? Like, God, I feel for you. I feel for women who are stuck in a relationship that they have no idea how to get out of, or they don't realise it's as toxic, that's what they're used to, it's the way they've always been talked to and controlled and pushed around. You have a lot of experience in coaching women. What can you sort of tell us about that? Sara: Well, it's very normal to minimalise, as you say, and normalise bad behaviour because if we didn't, we'd probably have to face some pretty hard truths. And I know that in my, I've had several toxic relationships, but there were always red flags. There were always warning signs. Difficult people, let's call them that because the N word, the narcissistic word is, well, one difficult to pronounce, but two, I think, you know, there's too much focus on labelling them and where the focus needs to be to move through these is on ourselves to move ourselves through. So, you know, it's a difficult one to do, but I suggest definitely taking your power back is the first step. But yeah, there are always red flags. Michelle: Taking your power back, what do you mean by that though? Sara: Well, when you're in a relationship that is highly controlling, you feel like you have no power. And one of the, well, lots of tactics will be to reduce your confidence, reduce the fact, they'll say you'll never survive on your own. No one would ever love you the way I love you. Yeah, you've got no value, you don't bring anything. You live on the streets, you'd lose contact with the kids. That you'd have all those fears, which makes it very difficult to leave. So it's not a case of they're treating me badly, I must leave. There's...You know, very often you're isolated and you're financially dependent on them and you won't know where everything is. They will have all the control over the money in most cases. So again, trying to build up your own supply of money so that if you did leave suddenly and they did cut off all bank accounts, then you would still have access to something to survive at least and maybe pay a legal bill. That would be essential, I would say for sure. Michelle: Are there like support services that you could reach out to and just say, this is it, this is the situation I find myself in. I would like to open a bank account but I don't have much sort of ID and thing. Is there like, well I suppose there'd be domestic abuse charities and things that you might be able to approach and say please help me. Sara: Yeah, so first point of call if you think you're in danger or you're worried that you may be in a toxic relationship, I would call your local domestic abuse charity. There are lots of very, very good charities in this country in the UK. We are ahead of the curve on domestic abuse support with charities. And I'm lucky enough to be the patron of the Dash Charity, which covers the Maidenhead Slam Windsor area. But there's Women's Aid, actually my charity falls underneath that banner as well. But there's lots and lots of different support. So reach out to them. The great thing about domestic abuse charities is they will believe you. They will believe you. You don't have to prove it. They will listen. They will also do a risk assessment. And then they're also very well connected with your local area with that police. They could put you on the alert list, social services, housing, if you need to leave. The DASH charity have refuge. A lot of charities will have refuges where you can flee to if you needed to. But even if you just wanted to get that advice of, is this a toxic relationship? They can help you with that as kind of specialist coach as well. I mean, that's what we do because it's what I wish I'd had when I was going through mine. So that's when I studied it and I worked at my own plan or how to cope with these people because post separation abuse is often a lot worse than when you're with them. And a lot of people say, and in fact, my lawyer said to me, well, now you're not living with them anymore. You'll be fine. And I, you know, it'll get better. It doesn't. And think about it this way. As you pull away from them, they want more control. But because you're not gonna ramp it up. Yeah, and because you're not physically with them all the different ways they used to control you that they're much more limited. The only way they can control you through that divorce process with the children and the finances. So that means that process all the gaslighting all the lying all the confusing behaviour, all the manipulation will be focused very much on those things and your children are a big pain point and they'll know that. And so that's one of the big issues they'll go for that we see. and also finances, they'll go for that too. So cutting off money, making you worry about money, hiding money, all those things are very common tactics, which is why divorcing a toxic ex is so much harder. There's no fair compromise. You're not looking, yeah, you might have some conflict over who gets the piano and how often you see the cat, but actually with an abuser, there's no compromise. It's all about causing as much suffering as possible and ultimately total annihilation is their agenda. Michelle: Evil, evil. How do you spot a non? Here we go. I'm gonna give it one more go. How do you spot a narcissist? Sara; Well, there's lots of telltale signs, but to be able to spot them, you have to take off the rose tinted glasses because it's very clever. It's hard when you're in love. Well, that's the thing. Love bombing feels so good, Michelle. It feels amazing. You feel like you're the most incredible person. Love bombing. Yeah. like showering you with gifts or even just compliments, grandiose declarations that you'll never be lonely again and they'll always look after you. So they make you feel safe. They put you on a pedestal. They treat you in an incredible way. And you think, gosh, this is too good to be true. And it is. Yes, and it is. But in that moment, you don't want it to end and you're really not going to listen. Who would? Who would? Like everybody wants to be treated like a princess and put on a pedestal. Yeah. And this is what you've been waiting for, right? You've been waiting for that and then it happens. And then you're like, I finally found the one. This is what love is. And so you fall in love with the person, which is the perception that they're giving you, but the reality isn't that person. So what happens is we get hooked in this ideal person that we think exists, but the reality is they don't. And over time, as you're, they isolate you. So they may say, It won't necessarily be blatant. It might be, do we have to see your parents this weekend? Do you know, I quite fancy just spending some more time with you or do you think she's really a good friend? Because I'm not sure, I'm not sure she is. You know, so it's those other things. Not for me, but yes, I've heard these things. And it's so difficult to help people when people externally spot those signs. Michelle: We were mentioning a little earlier that there's many parents who with wisdom and being outside of that relationship can spot these narcissistic relationships, started the coercive, the control. And there's many parents who find it really, really difficult to know what to do. And I have to say, I've been one of them. And I've had thousands of miles between me and my daughter worried to death about the way that she had been, exactly what you say, taken away from her friends until she's got...really nobody to talk to, nobody who says, come on, that's not how someone should treat you or why are you in Friday, Saturday, Sunday? You know, you're young and you're 20s, why aren't you out having fun? This is ridiculous because they are so removed. And then I guess it starts that they're told, well, no one would want to be with you anyway because you're boring and you don't even fold laundry in the right way. And it just is a gradual break down and break down and break down of any kind of value that you feel about yourself. Sara: Yeah and you're so right they don't show up on day one as they are on the last day of the relationship because if they did no one would get into that relationship. No. You'd run but because it's... Michelle: And I think that's important actually, it's alright to say that it's not stupidity. No. It's these people are manipulative and very very clever even if they don't realise how clever they are but it's every kind of woman can be susceptible to this. And it doesn't matter whether you're the smartest person ever or the dumbest on the block. It's not you, it's them. They're the ones doing it. Sara: And obviously it does happen to men as well. I have clients who are male who are dealing with it, but predominantly it is a gender specific issue, right? However, I have a friend called Carla, who you may know, so I'm not gonna mention her last name, but she's brilliant. She's one of my best friends and I love her to death, but Carla could never get into a toxic relationship. The reason being that Carla will tell someone to sling their hook if she doesn't get nice dinners, treated well, so that all the, you know, that everything that she wants, she wouldn't, she would, she'd just say, no, if anyone said anything that was slightly unkind or made her feel uncomfortable, she'd be like, no, go away, I'm not interested. So you have to be a highly empathetic person to get into these relationships. We are generally people pleasers. Michelle: We like to fix things. We don't like conflict, so we'll avoid it. So we'll just allow that boundary to be removed because maybe they called us a name or talked to us in a certain way or raised their voice in a restaurant. Little things will think, well, you know what? They've had a bad day. I get it. Or their dad was on the phone earlier causing them some problems. So don't worry, I'll suck that up so they don't need to worry. But before you know it, all your boundaries are slowly being eroded and then that behaviour becomes acceptable. That's normalised, isn't it? Sara: Yeah, it's now normal and it's very hard to reverse because you've accepted it for so long. So if you don't stand on it like Carla would at the first day and say, no, you're off, then again, so again, it's a highly empathetic people, people that want to fix, so vulnerable people. People who want to fix… Michelle: So often, from what I've seen, it's the broken wing syndrome. It's like, he needs me. I'm the only one who can help him through this because he's showing his vulnerability. And all of a sudden that vulnerability becomes weaponised in a way that, well, now I can't leave him either because he needs me. Even though that's the, he'll call me rubbish and I don't add value, but on the other hand, he's, you know, poor him. Sara: But there's the cycle, which is addictive. So everything will be great. Remember they have that ability to give you the perception of being the most incredible relationship, which it will be to the outside world at all times. But behind closed doors, there'll be something that happens that triggers unacceptable behaviour. So whatever kind of abuse that could be, and there's a whole range of abuses. And then, you know, as you pull back, you say, I can't tolerate that. This is not okay with me. Then they start what's called a hoovering. Have you heard that? (No, I haven’t) So hoovering is when they sort of suck you back in with good behaviour. It could be like, you know, I'm so sorry. Or they cry or they can say, it didn't happen that way. You're confused. I didn't do that. (Michelle - Gaslighting). Yes. Yeah. So then you think, well, maybe maybe it was me then. Okay. Well, then let's get back on. And then they're being normal and they act like nothing happened. And of course, we don't want to rock the boat, do we? We want to go. Okay, we're on stable ground. And then they're amazing. You think, this is what I fell in love with. But it is walking on eggshells until the next thing happens and then you repeat. So that's the problem. You're going round and round and round in that cycle. Well, I've heard many women say, well, you know, it'd be the last straw if they hit me. Honestly, if they hit me, that would be, I'm gone. But it's way before that. And actually, a lot of coercive controllers, not as just... They don't necessarily resort to physical abuse, do they? They don't need to because they've got that earworm in your brain thinking that you're no good and nobody else would have you anyway. They don't actually need to slap you around. So you never get to that stage like, if they hit me, I'm gone, I'm out of there. Yeah. Do you know that there is a really scary statistic though here in the UK, not a lot of people know, is that 30 % of domestic homicides in the UK happen within three months of separation and over 80 % of those homicides as murders, there has never been any physical abuse before. It's coercive control. Yeah, and it stacks up because you're losing control. So that's when it can shift. So just because - As you said, it magnifies and then it wrapped, but that makes people too scared to leave. Well, you have to be very careful. And this is, and actually, yes, I'm glad this has come up because if you suddenly say, I'm leaving, you're putting yourself in a danger zone because they will want their control. That's why getting your domestic abuse charity on site, so they've done a risk assessment, they understand, they're there on hand. Also, if you can get a specialist coach other like me or a therapist, if you can find one who specialises in domestic abuse, we will help you get your ducks in a row, which is even more important. You need to make sure you've got somewhere to go. You need to know you'll be safe, the kids will be safe. You need to know that you've got some financial, sort of something to fall back on because divorcing somebody like that is not a straightforward process. It is very, very difficult. And court does not give you justice in this country. I campaign a lot of government level on this because the family court system actually re -traumatises over 82 % of domestic abuse survivors. So - Michelle: Is that because you have to justify what happened and you ought to go through it all again? And, you know, will I be believed and will he be in the court with me and see me and stare me down? Is it that - Sara: Well, I would like to say yes, that's it. But unfortunately, it's a very corrupt system and that there's a lot of misogyny. There's not enough education or understanding or willingness to be open to domestic abuse. If you say you're a victim of abuse, quite often you have to prove it, that the onus is on you. You're not innocent until proven guilty. You have to, you have to really, there's a lot of work that needs to go on. And also, Unfortunately, if you have money as a perpetrator, you can go a long way through the family courts and it doesn't always, well, very rarely ends in justice from what I've seen from clients all over the world, actually. It's not just our courts here. So there is a real issue with that. And also with court so -called experts, there's so many issues, especially if you're divorcing someone, you've got children under the age of 16. Again, do take specialist advice before you get into that because... I don't know if you've heard that there are a lot of children that are being removed from victims of abuse and handed to perpetrators. So in this country, we have a real issue and people wouldn't believe it goes on today, but it does, unfortunately. So again, getting your ducks in a row first, getting that advice and it might sound scary, but there is a really positive upside to this. You can come out and regain control in a safe way and rebuild your life and come back stronger and more confident and happier than ever. There are things you can do. And I've dedicated my life to getting those tools out to people because that's what I wish I'd had when I went through it and they work and we've shared them with now millions of people around the world. And that to me is my mission for being even here and having been dragged through that. I remember being in Sydney in Australia outside our Australian office. I just had this epiphany that I was like, you know what, just found out he'd had an affair, just found out that she was pregnant. And also Michelle, she was 12 years younger than me and stunningly beautiful. Those two things do not help either, I can tell you. You're stunningly beautiful, he's an idiot. thank you. But you could kind of look and go, yeah, it's obvious upgrade, kind of get it. But anyway, you know, and I'm confident, you know, we all have that. Michelle: Well, I mean, go back to midlife, that's exactly what happens, you know, when, you know, perhaps your libido is rather lower and a younger woman has a higher libido and perhaps she tells your bloke with thinning hair and a big paunch how gorgeous he is. Sara: Exactly, there's tactics involved for sure. But yeah, at that moment I was like, you know what, I'm not being dragged through this just to go through the paint. I need to turn this into something that helps other people. I think that's been a lot of my recovery, but being able to talk about how people can specifically recover from that and how to navigate that divorce process. Michelle; And even amicable divorces are tough because you're reinventing yourself. You've got to rediscover your own identity. I mean, be married for 30 years, you're not the same person. Dating is totally different now. It's totally different. I've heard a lot of women choose women partners. I think it's a safer bet in a lot of cases. It's not the ideal world, is it really? Well, I think that's a really positive way to end this chat. I could, and I am going to carry on chatting to you for ages after this. But I think that's, I think what I'm taking away from this is do your research, get help, get support. Find yourself a charity if you need it. Know that there is help out there and you can have a good life after divorce. And I think they need to find you, Sara. So where will listeners be able to find your website, read your book and find your podcast? Sara: thank you. So my website's saradavison.com . That's easy. Yeah. Instagram, Sara Davison Divorce Coach. And I post a lot of advice every day. There's videos and top tips and things. So again, really easy to get in touch with us in there. And we have online support groups, we have one -to -one coaching, retreats, all sorts of things. So, you know. Michelle: You did the Heartbreak Hotel, didn't you? Sara: Yeah, I did. And yeah, we train people to become coaches and that pain to power journey is so empowering for so many people as well. So lots of options and ways that you can go on and grow and be stronger. So yeah, come check us out. Michelle: Thank you. Thank you so much for being in my studio shed today. It's been really nice talking to you and honestly I've taken a lot from it and I really hope and I'm pretty sure our listeners will too. Thank you. 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Not unlike other food products such as fat, hemps negative reputation is rooted in marketing. CBD was demonised in the 1900's because farmers saw the Hemp plant, which is where CBD oil comes from, as a threat in the potential use of fibre because they wanted to grow cotton. Up until then Hemp had been used by humans to treat a vast array of ailments. With CBD in our system, the ECS can function at an optimal level helping with: Anxiety | Depression | Panic Disorder | OCD | PTSD | Neurological disorders | Sleep | Pain Relief & Inflammation | Helps fight cancer | Relieves nausea | Promotes cardiovascular health | Lowers the risk of diabetes | Treat seizures | Reduces acne. But how does CBD actually work? According to mental health and medical cannabis expert Dr Julie Moltke , it’s all about balancing out different receptor systems in your brain to ease stress and anxiety. ‘It interacts with different receptor systems, but the two most important ones that can be attributed to the beneficial effects on mental health is the serotonin system and the endocannabinoid system,’ Dr Moltke explains. ‘CBD balances out these systems in the brain so that you will get a sense of feeling more calm, less stressed and it can help improve sleep by decreasing stress and anxiety. Some people also find that it helps with productivity and sometimes it can have – on a different level – an anti-inflammatory effect which can also be beneficial for general health and lifestyle. Unlike THC, the dominant marijuana compound that does cause a high, CBD does not contain the same psychoactive properties. Always seek the guidance of your doctor or other qualified health professional with any questions you may have regarding your health or a medical condition. In our Two Women Chatting podcast   archives you'll find episodes with Angie Best, Samantha & Lorraine from Hapi Hemp discussing the benefits of CBD. On Brooklands Radio recently Michelle chatted with Jo Devall, founder of EveryBudy CBD. Click here to listen. Use code TWC25 for 25% off your first purchase at www.everybudy.co.uk Please visit our health resources page which has a collection of useful links from 3rd party websites and content. Did you enjoy this article? Why not join the Two Women Chatting mailing list for regular updates. Note: This post contains some affiliate links. This means that we may earn a small commission when you click on such links, at no additional cost to you. We only share links to products we would use ourselves and all opinions are our own. You can read the full disclaime r here.

Drink Spiking and Date Rape Drugs Spiking of drinks and date rape drugs is an alarming and growing concern. Drink spiking is when someone puts drugs or alcohol into your drink without you knowing. A date rape drug is any drug that incapacitates another person and renders that person vulnerable to sexual assault, including rape. It is an issue that everyone should be aware of to help those affected by it, avoid and stop it. Symptoms of being spiked The effects of drink spiking vary depending on what you’ve been spiked with but your symptoms could include: Lowered inhibitions Loss of balance Feeling sleepy Visual problems Confusion Nausea Vomiting Unconsciousness How to avoid it Drink spiking can happen in any situation, at home or on a night out. However, there are a few things you can do to protect yourself: Never leave your drink unattended, whether it’s alcoholic or not. Don’t accept a drink from someone you don’t know. Avoid drinking too much by sticking to the UK low-risk drinking guidelines. Stick together with friends, and look out for each other. What to do if a friend has been spiked Advice from drinkaware.co.uk: 'If you think a friend has had their drink spiked, and they are showing any of the symptoms described above there are a few things you can do to help' Tell a bar manager, bouncer, or member of staff. Stay with them and keep talking to them. Call an ambulance if their condition deteriorates. Don’t let them go home on their own. Don’t let them leave with someone you don’t know or trust. Don’t let them drink more alcohol - this could lead to more serious problems. Where to find support One of the effects of date rape drugs can be amnesia or loss of memory. That means it’s possible that you won’t be sure if you’ve been assaulted. But if you suspect you’ve been physically or sexually assaulted it’s important to tell someone. Try to confide in someone you trust like a friend or family member. You can go to the police or hospital accident & emergency department. If you don’t feel able to do that right away, there are Rape Crisis charity helplines you can call for support and advice: -England and Wales: 0808 802 9999 (12–2.30pm and 7-9.30pm every day) -Scotland: 0808 801 0302 or text 07537 410 027 (6pm - midnight every day) -Northern Ireland: 08000 246 991 (Monday and Thursday, 6 – 8pm) If you, or someone you know, have been affected by crime, including sexual harassment or any sort of sexual harm, help and support is available. Victim Support is an independent charity for victims and witnesses of crime. They offer free, confidential help to anyone who’s been affected by sexual harassment. Call 0808 16 89 111 or go to Victim Support's website. Check out TWC's recent episode with Dawn Dines, CEO of Stamp Out Spiking. The website is full of resources, training and a place to report if you have been a victim of spiking. For Stop Topps anti spiking drinks toppers click here - there are also 'scrunchie' covers that you can keep in wrist bracelets. Spiking someone’s drink carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in the UK. One-third of women in the UK have been spiked or know a friend who has been. 7/10 18-24 year olds have experienced or know of someone who has been spiked but it is estimated that 97% of spiking incidents are never even reported because of embarrassment or shame. Did you find this article useful? Why not join the Two Women Chatting mailing list for regular updates? TWC has collated some useful third party resources related to this topic. Listen to the episode here.

Over the last few years there’s been a surge of interest and initiatives around the female peri- menopause and menopause, which is to be applauded. Celebrities including Meg Matthews (check our Midlife Mentors podcast for an interview with her) and Mariella Frostrup have penned guides and we’ve delivered several corporate workshops on menopause, so it’s great that this is finally getting coverage. Less well know is the andropause, (sometimes incorrectly referred to as the male menopause). Estimates vary, but somewhere between 25% to 40% of middle aged men will experience symptoms, with around 10% having acute symptoms. In fact if we look at the hormonal science of what’s happening inside the body it’s highly likely that most men will experience some of the symptoms at some point during their midlife. So what are those symptoms? They can be broadly categorised into physical, mental and emotional, and of course all these interplay and have a causation relationship. On the physical side symptoms can include a decline in energy, gradual loss of strength, loss of muscle mass, increase body fat, particularly in the abdominal area, erectile dysfunction and loss of libido. Mental and emotional symptoms can include brain fog, lack of concentration, lowered confidence, increased anxiety, increased stress and trouble sleeping. Put the physical, mental and emotional together and you have the perfect driver for more psychological symptoms: a perceived lack of self-worth, loss of self-identity, and over compensating behaviour. This is why performance across the board can start to suffer… in relationships, business, career, sports… So far so 'midlife crisis' you might say, but we shouldn’t dismiss these symptoms so casually. especially when they can have a devastating effect on the individual that can cascade into relationships and career. There are in fact a number of lifestyle adjustments we can make to work with these changes we’re experiencing. Science shows us it’s possible to work in harmony with our hormones (the main driver for many of these symptoms) and offset many of the negative effects. To understand what you can do you first need to understand what’s going on hormonally and how that’s impacting the individual. For men levels of their primary sex hormone testosterone peak in their twenties, then decline at between 1 to 2% a year. Now, that might not sound a lot, but the time a man hits his fifties, those testosterone levels could be up to 50% lower than back when he was in his twenties. Testosterone plays a key role in supporting muscle, metabolic support, strength, libido, cognitive processes and focus. As it declines, so these can too. Low levels of testosterone are also liked to increased anxiety, lowered confidence and increased body fat levels. If that wasn’t enough, at midlife we’re becoming more insulin resistant, meaning we’re less efficient at processing food for energy, meaning we’re more likely to lay excess calories down as fat Finally, throw some stress into the mix. We all know stress impacts our health, but did you know why it has such an impact on our hormonal health? The stress hormone cortisol is produces from the same “mother” hormone pregnenolone so if we are producing more cortisol, there is less pregnenolone available to produce testosterone, further impacting those midlife hormonal challenges. So far so bad, but what can we do about it? Well quite a lot is the good news! If you want to perform at your full potential at midlife there are a number of specific things to do , right, but here is what it comes down to in my experience: you've got to align your body and mind. They have to work together. What we see over and over are people thrashing their bodies but they’re ignoring their psychology, so their efforts only work in the short term and they certainly don’t reach their full potential. Here’s what you need to do, and remember, this isn’t about huge changes or big sacrifices, it’s about making adjustments that ultimately improve your quality of life. Firstly, you need to start exercising in the right way. Specifically start intruding short High Intensity Interval Training sessions of 15 to 20 minutes to your workouts. These are not only time and results effective but have been shown to help boost testosterone levels temporarily and bring down your metabolic age. You need to start resistance training. You can do it at home, but for men, lifting heavy with compound moves like the squat, bench press and row also temporarily boost testosterone levels, as well as building new muscle mass, so raising metabolic rate. You have to start cutting down on sugar, which is highly calorific and inflammatory, and start adding more lean protein (fish, poultry, lean red meat, pulses) to your diet, along with dietary fibre for gut health. You need to start eating more leafy vegetables and cut back on heavier processed carbs like bread, rices, cakes and pasta. On the mindset side, you MUST get a handle on your stress and lower those cortisol levels. Start to eliminate the stressors you can in your life (like watching too much news), learn to control your reaction to stressful events. Look at your limiting beliefs - we all have them. What beliefs about yourself could be holding you back? What new empowering beliefs would help you sustain a new healthier peak performance lifestyle? You cannot out perform your self-identity - sometimes we need to upgrade who we are to move to the next level. Neuroscience shows us this is possible. Our beliefs are not fixed - we can alter our neural pathways and literally step into a new way of being. Learn to be present, cultivate and attitude of gratitude each day, and ground yourself with focus at the start of each day. Finally, supplementation may help. Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) is an option, but there are pros and cons and it’s for the long term (your own testosterone production will shut down), so it’s better to look at the lifestyle adjustments you can make first and keep TRT as a final resort. So, make sure you’re getting enough vitamin D in particular, and supplement with vitamin D3 if you’re not. Other nutrients that support sex hormone pathways include vitamin C, zinc and magnesium. You can take a herbal adaptogen called ashwaghanda to reduce cortisol (and so help sex hormone balance), and vitamin B12 will also help as well as helping with energy levels. Put all these elements together and you can stride forward through andriopause (and beyond) with renewed strength, energy, power, confidence and joy for life. If you’d like to get a personalised report on where your midlife blocks might be, and get actionable tips on improvements you can make, then take our world’s first Midlife Reset Audit. This short questionnaire will give you a midlife diagnostic and it’s completely free: https://themidlifementors.com/audit This article was written by James Davies, podcast host of the Midlife Mentors and CEO of 38 Degrees North. Listen to the TWC podcast chatting about andropause featuring husband and wife team, James and Claire here. We only share links to products we would use ourselves and all opinions are our own. You can read the full disclaimer here. Did you enjoy this article? Why not join the Two Women Chatting mailing list for regular updates. 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There aren’t many things we can do to truly slow down the ageing process but taking control of our bone health might just be one. Sadly, most of us will hit our top bone strength by age 25-30 and from 40 onwards the only predetermined way for our bone strength is down but so what? What can we do if anything to strengthen our bones? Why should we bother? In simple terms, as our bones age, they weaken making them more likely to break. Like many things this is even more pertinent in women as falling oestrogen in menopause speeds up bone loss. Once your bone thickness reaches a certain low point or below we class this as Osteoporosis. Osteoporosis is a relatively ‘silent disease’; one minute you are out and about busy with life, the next you’re in a fracture clinic and being told you likely have it. Common breaks include the wrist, hip and back bones causing no end of inconvenience, immobility and pain. The old people you see stooped over and shuffling along? They most likely have crumbling spinal bones (vertebrae) that are struggling to hold their own body weight and posture. I’m not sure any of us would willingly and knowingly walk into that…. The good news is it’s never too late to support your bone health and review your risk factors for osteoporosis. There are several lifestyle factors that increase your risk of faster thinning bones and whilst lifestyle factors can be tough to get a handle on they are usually the things we can exert control over most. Drinking excess alcohol (more than 14 units/week) smoking being significantly underweight not taking regular exercise and a diet low in calcium and vitamin D will all contribute to bone loss over time. For those of you considering the pros and cons of HRT in perimenopause it is worth adding this pro to the mix especially those of you going through it early doors; oestrogen plays a vital role in maintaining our bone structure and several studies show HRT as protective against rapid bone loss and osteoporotic fractures (i.e. broken bones). There are also factors that are less easy to control such as needing to take long term oral steroids or other bone weakening medications, having a chronic health condition that causes ongoing inflammation or malabsorption such as coeliac disease or having a family history of osteoporosis (particularly those that led on to a hip fracture in a parent). Whatever your risk factors, lifestyle or bone status the advice is clear; reduce smoking and alcohol, eat a balanced diet rich in calcium and vitamin D (consider supplementing the latter, especially through the dark autumn winter months) and manage any long term health conditions the best you can. It is definitely worth increasing your weight bearing exercise as bones adapt to weight going through them by building more bone cells. For those of you who find yourselves already in the grips of an osteoporosis diagnosis don’t despair, the above things and some medical treatments can still help stabilise bone loss and a fracture is not inevitable. This article was written by Dr Helen Wall an accomplished medical professional with a rich background in healthcare and public health. As well as being a senior GP partner she has had many varied roles across the health system over the years as well as training medical students and GPs. She has additional qualifications In women’s health and an honorary doctorate in public health.   Her passion for advocating for patients and utilising effective communication skills is evident not only in her medical practice but also as a freelance Media GP, where she serves as the resident GP for BBC Breakfast and contributes a weekly GP column to Woman magazine.  Her multifaceted career and commitment to both her profession and the well-being of her patients exemplify Dr. Helen Wall as a compassionate and influential figure in the field of medicine and public health. This article was written and first published in Woman Magazine. Did you enjoy this article? Why not join the Two Women Chatting mailing list for regular updates. Please visit our Midlife Library which has a collection of useful links from 3rd party websites and content.